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#31

12 okt 2019, 23:43

Rart at du håper jeg ser det, når det er umulig at noen av oss ser det. Du har hørt et rykte som kan være sant men også ikke være sant.

Jeg har aldri sagt at McKenna er en dyktig trener. Men at han kan være. Du spinner på det jeg sier.

Hvor skrev jeg at det er automatikk i at McKenna er bra på speiding og seniornivå selv om Mourinho likte ham.

Skrev at McKenna burde klare å speide på en spiller akkurat som alle andre utdannete trener på såpass høyt nivå.
Og det at United hentet han til klubben, mourinho og Solskjær vil han i A laget og at han har fått skryt av tidligere spillere vil vel mest sansynlig si at han burde være en dyktig trener.
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#32

13 okt 2019, 00:00

McKenna er nok en meget dyktig trener, men han er ekstremt rolig av seg - som Carrick - i følge Andy Mitten; noe som ikke appellerer til alle spillerne.

Fred var utvilsomt en god spiller for Shaktar Donetsk, men han takler nok ikke tempoet i PL, og det er noe som er vanskelig å forutse. SAF kjøpte jo inn Veron i sin tid: Det største bomkjøpet i United sin historie. Fantastisk spiller, som bare ikke fikk det til å stemme i United. Taklet ikke tempoet.

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#33

13 okt 2019, 10:25

Alt handler om relasjoner og kloke fotballhoder. Har du 8 -10 utespillere som ikke "klikker" sammen spillemessig har du et stort problem i laget og veien til suksess ligger der full av torner. Vi har en gjeng med spillere som ikke tenker fotball likt(min påstand) Derav manglende relasjoner og situasjoner der det stopper opp. De beste fotballhodene tenker intuitivt likt om de har samme spillemåte. Vi kan ha 10 McT eller 10 Pogbaer...de vil forstå hverandre på banen. Så må en ha noen rundt de som gjør andre ting, men helst ikke fra midtbanen og fremover. Vi har en fotballklok midtstopper(Maguire) vi har Pogba, Fred og Mata og (tildels) Matic, men han er over the top og regnes ikke med. Der er vi i dag. Så får jeg bare være alene om å mene at Fred er en klok fotballspiller...men det hjelper lite når de rundt er forvirret og bare vil løpe...
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#34

13 okt 2019, 11:29

Mats98 skrev:
12 okt 2019, 23:43
Du spinner på det jeg sier.
Du spinner da på egenhånd imo...Men samma det, mitt poeng har vært at han kanskje passer bedre på akademiet.

Jeg har ikke hatt noen god følelse med hverken McKenna eller Carrick, og fikk fyr på bålet av Mitten`s sak om disse to, som nevnes av @Elkey.
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Norwich 27.10.19:

Freds 1. omgang var spesielt imponerende på Optas tall, både på taklinger, treffsikkerhet på pasninger og gjenvinninger, selv om han også ga fra seg ballen stygt én gang.

Stemmer med det jeg så, han var god.
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#35

29 okt 2019, 12:12

Enig, hans beste kamp for oss siden PSG borte.
Nå var det Norwich, men lovende takter både fra Fred og spesielt McTominay (elsker hvordan McT går foran og tar tak i kampene). Fortsatt tvilende til om de klarer å gjenskape den prestasjonen mot virkelig gode lag, men kanskje det er håp for midtbanen likevel?]
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#36

13 nov 2019, 09:59

Andy Mittens Fred-intervju fra The Athletic: Interessant å lese om hvordan de har jobbet med psyken hans på banen. Har slått meg at han har selvtillit-issues.

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“I’m feeling better than I’ve ever felt since moving to England,” Brazilian midfielder Fred tells The Athletic with an enthusiastic smile after Manchester United’s 3-1 win over Brighton & Hove Albion on Sunday.

“All I ever wanted was to play regularly and now that I’m doing that, there’s no doubt my confidence is higher and that helps any player.”

“Feeling better” is perhaps not all that difficult after a first season in the Premier League which resulted in the 26-year-old becoming a comic punchline among fans of rival clubs, and a source of ire for pundits with United leanings — such as Gary Neville and Roy Keane.

Big things had been expected of Fred, who arrived at Old Trafford from Shakhtar Donetsk in June 2018. Yet he failed to shine in a side that limped to sixth place in the final Premier League table — the club had only once finished lower than that in the previous 28 seasons.

Thankfully for him, Fred appears to be finally finding his feet just as his club seem to be slowly clicking into gear. He almost scored just his second goal for the club, too, his 25-yard shot pushed onto the woodwork by Brighton keeper Mat Ryan.

“The trust from the manager is important and I feel I have this,” he says. “I just want to continue doing what I’m doing, playing well and starting the games — but I want to score, too. I came close [against Brighton] and hit the bar but I’ll keep working until this happens.

“I’m very happy, firstly because we won but also because we’re getting some rhythm and we’re doing well in the cups.

“But we needed to do better in the league. We just have to carry on fighting so that we reach the Champions League.”

Fred enjoyed one of his best matches since that much-derided £52 million move to Old Trafford — one nobody at United now seems willing to hold up their hands and take responsibility for. He arrived in the final months of Jose Mourinho’s reign, but it is Ole Gunnar Solskjaer who must work out what best to do with him.

And the United manager was happy with how his No. 17 performed in Sunday’s victory.

“Fred was excellent,” Solskjaer said after the match. “Maybe a couple of fouls in the first half he shouldn’t have given away.”

Solskjaer may have been impressed with the Brazilian’s performance on Sunday, but he’ll still demand more. Having been cut slack in his first season in a new country and league, he will no longer before afforded that kind of leeway — it’s that simple.

There are players in Solskjaer’s current first-team squad that the Norwegian is keen to move on. He’s already shipped some out and wants to finish removing negative influences from the dressing room. He has no time for players who say they are injured when the manager thinks they are fit enough to pull on their boots.

Fred is not one of those players. His attitude and commitment in training have never been in doubt. The issue is that when he gives the ball away in games, his head tends to drop. Coaches Michael Carrick — a man who knows enough about operating in the same role for United as Fred — and Kieran McKenna have been working hard with him to make him confident in himself in those situations, and their efforts seem to be paying off.

With Paul Pogba still injured, Fred has started the last five Premier League games. United have won two, drawn one and lost two of those fixtures, beginning with the dreadful defeat at Newcastle United. He’s started the last five in all competitions, four of which ended in United wins.

Fred was refreshingly honest in his assessment of what has been going badly and how Solskjaer has been trying to put things right.

“We haven’t played well throughout the whole game, like we did against Brighton,” he says. “Against Bournemouth last week, I felt we started well but that didn’t carry on. We were unlucky for that silly goal and we could not score despite having chances.

“But we looked at what we did wrong in that game. We watched videos of our errors. We worked hard in training to correct those mistakes and I think we’re doing that. We have a very young team, so there will be mistakes but [against Brighton], we were strong. We always wanted to attack.”

Fred helped give his team breathing space when he curled in a free-kick won by Harry Maguire to set up United’s second goal.

Too often this season, United have crumbled and let leads slip once the pressure was on. But when Brighton pulled one back just after the hour, the response from a side with an average age of 23 was, this time, both immediate and positive.

And Fred was at the heart of it, quickly threading a superb ball forward to Anthony Martial, which split the defence. The Frenchman was briefly dispossessed by Shane Duffy but regained the ball, rolling it to Marcus Rashford, who struck it into the roof of the net. United’s much-improved and unshackled performance was greeted by the most joyous and enthusiastic atmosphere of the season.

Fred modestly attributed credit elsewhere. “Anthony is a great player,” he says. “He knows how to finish. He’s important for us. Defenders don’t like to play against him.”

Although encouraged by his form of late, fans are withholding judgement. This is Manchester United’s midfield we’re talking about, after all, and standards should be high.

There are doubts over Fred’s size at 5ft 6in, yet his energy helps make up for it and he’s brave too but he needs assistance both on and off the field.

When Fernandinho, another Brazilian midfielder who moved from Shakhtar to Manchester when he joined City in 2013, was asked about his compatriot, he replied that Fred can’t do it all by himself. South American players haven’t always found settling in the north west of England easy, and United’s history with imports from Brazil is chequered at best.

When this reporter went to to Indianapolis, USA, to track down Kleberson — who joined United on the same 2003 day as Cristiano Ronaldo — he admitted that “moving from Brazil to Manchester was very difficult. There were so many differences. The weather and language, of course, and there wasn’t so much Brazilian food in Manchester then. My personal circumstances didn’t help. My wife was pregnant and I kept getting injured…”

Kleberson blames himself in part. Sir Alex Ferguson tried to speak to him in Portuguese, which impressed the 2002 World Cup winner, but Kleberson could never return the compliment, immersing himself instead in a world of Brazilian cable TV rather than hearing English at home.

The twins Rafael and Fabio da Silva fared better, but they moved over with their parents. Brian McClair, then head of the academy, was alarmed that the family had arrived at an empty house, so personally drove to a shop that sold Brazilian food and filled their kitchen with it. It was appreciated. Only five years earlier, Kleberson was being forced to drive from Manchester down to London to buy Brazilian foods. These things matter.

The twins also had countryman Anderson, a man who didn’t speak decent English but never let that stop him talking to anyone. He offered to teach the new arrivals from back home the language with his own idiosyncratic but nevertheless usually adequate phrases, such as “my car no fly”. Everyone loved him for it.

Belgium-born Andreas Pereira, who plays with Fred in that much-maligned midfield, has Brazilian roots and now one cap for their national team, but has never actually lived there and speaks perfect English. Rodrigo Possebon was hampered by injury and admits he lacked the quality to break into a side that were the best in England, Europe and the world a decade ago. Possebon is an intellectual who speaks four languages and wants to be a sports director.

Fred may not possess Possebon’s multi-lingual tongue, but he’s certainly being given more of a shot at Old Trafford than his compatriot was. So far, he’s already clocked up 931 minutes this season against the 1,593 of last term.

As he spoke after Sunday’s game, Fred introduced The Athletic to his one-year-old son Benjamin. The children and partners of United’s other South Americans — Argentine duo Marcos Rojo and Sergio Romero — speak perfect English, but not their fathers. Fred has yet to do an interview in English (our post-match chat is conducted in a combination of Portuguese and Spanish), though he’s learning.

It’s international week now, but Fred won’t be going to play for Brazil against Argentina or South Korea. He’s not featured for his country in over a year having not done enough to be picked ahead of players such as Real Madrid’s Casemiro, Barcelona’s Arthur, or Fabinho of Liverpool. But he remains hopeful of a return to the international stage.

“I always think about this and if I carry on doing well, then I’m sure there will be opportunities,” he says. “I’m not preoccupied but it’s better if I’m playing for this team and we are winning.”

Like his toddler, Fred’s still taking baby steps, but given his obvious willingness and drive to succeed and under Solskjaer’s tutelage, he seems to growing into his role.
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#37

14 nov 2019, 01:23

Rett og slett supert at Fred begynner å finne seg til rette i klubben og dermed leverer bedre på banen. Fabinho brukte lang tid i Liverpool også og den siste tiden har han vært helt ENORM for Liverpool. Fytti grisen for en spiller.

Gleder meg til vi får se litt mer av skuddfoten til Fred. Han har vist oss at han kan skyte, men det har foreløpig ikke resultert i mange mål. (har vel kun 1 mål, tror jeg)
Fantastisk å se at både Fred og McTominay de siste par månedene har vist at de kan være med videre og at vi ikke trenger en helt ny midtbane. Vi trenger forsterkninger, utvilsomt, men Fred og McTominay kan være med å bidra, de også.
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#38

21 des 2019, 16:47

Fred har virkelig fått sving på karrieren sin igjen. Helt utrolig. Viser karakter. Mot Everton klokket han til med en fart på 37.29 km/t, som faktisk er sesongbeste av alle United-spillere i PL-kamp. Man blir jo stadig mer imponert over den lille brassen.
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#39

09 feb 2020, 15:00

Jeg synes dette er tøft av Fred, om han er sitert riktig.

Ikke noe nytt at det har vært grupperinger i garderoben.

https://utdreport.co.uk/2020/02/08/fred ... er-united/

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#40

09 feb 2020, 16:55

Dette Fred intervjuet er et bevis på at Solskjær er rett mann akkurat nå. En som er villig til å rydde opp. Villig til å "mislykkes" sportslig for å rydde opp uten å bekymre seg for sitt eget renommé. En som er minst like glad i Manchester United som det vi er. Er overbevist om at klubben står sterkere når Solskjær drar enn når han kom.

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#41

09 feb 2020, 21:31

Dette intervjuet er vel heller ett bevis på at solskjær er så langt fra å være rett mann som man kan komme.
Når man på godt over ett år ikke har evnet å få til ett samlet mål engang i gruppa da er man faktisk en elendig svak leder.

Hadde ikke solskjær brydd seg om sitt eget rennome hadde han vel ikke brukt alle verdens unnskyldninger for at vi spiller så elendig som vi gjør.
Enda til gode å se at han tar noe som helst selvkritikk for resultater eller forestilling.

Jeg er nok overbevist om det motsatte, jo lenger solskjær sitter jo lenger ned i gjørma vil han dra klubben.
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#42

10 feb 2020, 00:37

Ja, det Fred sier kan tolkes på forskjellige måter, jeg mistenker at enkelte ikke bryr seg så mye om "cultural reboot"...

Men jeg tror det er en overvekt av spillere som er lojale til den nye planen, om den vil fungere og bringe bedre resultater gjenstår å se.

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#43

10 feb 2020, 01:12

Det med cultural reboot er bare tåkesnakk uansett.
Bare enda en unnskyldning for å kjøpe seg tid.
Er rart at det plutselig er så viktig nå når han trenger det, men han var ikke så nøye på det når han sa at ingen i eller rundt klubben kunne være fornøyd med 2 plassen vi tok under Mourinho.
Da var det kun øverste plassen på tabellen som gjaldt for spillere, eks spillere og fans, mens han selv er storfornøyd og smiler fra øre til øre i intervju etter kamper vi taper samtidig som vi ligger midt på tabellen snart.
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10 feb 2020, 12:51

Screwd skrev:
10 feb 2020, 01:12
Det med cultural reboot er bare tåkesnakk uansett.
Hehehe, det er i hvert fall ingen garanti for suksess tror jeg.

Kulturell restart eller ei, for min del koker det ned til troppens kvalitet og spillsystem som fungerer.

Pr. idag ser det mørkt ut, enig i det.

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10 feb 2020, 13:10

Ja, jeg synes den blir litt for diffus :p

Er helt enig med deg, har man en tropp og ett spillesystem som fungerer og man faktisk vinner så kommer resten av seg selv.
Alle fans sier jo, "hvorfor skulle han ønske å komme hit, vi vinner jo ikke noe" etc, så det at spillere ønsker å spille for klubben er noe man skaper selv og ikke noe man kan kjøpe.
Ja, man kan selvfølgelig finne en del spillere som har vært United fans hele livet, men det er fåtallet av dem som faktisk er gode nok. Dessverre.
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